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DDO forum handle- dungeoncrawler DDO Guild- Old Timer's Guild Last edited by raz; Dec 12th, 2005 at 02:23 PM. |
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Spellsnatch from everyone!
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The Spelltheif is an interesting idea but far too limited if there isn't an arcane baddy to fight against. They end up being, as others have said, a poor rogue when you're up against some demon worshiping cultists with just divine casters.
But I suppose it's like any other specialised class. Against undead and constructs a normal rogue losses an awful lot of its power. The DM and players need to work together a little just so that noone is left feeling useless at the game table. That means either the DM throws in challenges suitable for the spelltheif or discorrages a playwe taking the class in teh first place. It's like not allowing paladins in a CN party.
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Unfortunately, it is quite difficult to successfully sneak attack an enemy wizard more than once (again, death becomes quite inconvenient - though I suppose the spellthief's watered-down sneak attack does come in handy here) and choosing the right utility spells to steal to help later on in a dungeon crawl when you don't know what you may need (or your wizard would have already memorized it) is a long, long, longshot. Unless the DM just spoonfeeds it to you, that is... Nah, the spellthief's power is far too random to be of much situation-specific use. It's a nice cinematic thought to have the clever spellthief steal a lieutenant's spell and then use it to great effect on the boss, but in practice, that will happen very, very rarely barring outright deus ex machina. The spellthief is basically a lousy rogue with an interesting trick ability. Spell-stealing is pretty meh. Actually, I think the ability to steal energy resistance, spell resistance and spell-like abilities can be quite useful against boss-type monsters at higher levels, where special abilities are well-known (just make your knowledge check), allowing for considerable forward planning. Now that I think about it, the spellthief could be a real monster-killer at higher levels. Many baddies have just one or two great spell-like abilities without which they are largely toothless. Hmmm...yes. A high-level spell thief could be extremely useful. It's going to depend on those knowledge skills, though. The spellthief has Knowledge (arcana), but he will need other party members with planar, dungeoneering and all the other knowledge skills that inform the PCs about monster special abilities and whatnot. You're only going to deny that monster his spell-like ability for 10 rounds, but 10 rounds is an eternity in combat, especially for a monster who has just lost his primary means of attack. Stealing spells, on the other hand, will always be too random for realistic strategic planning.
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I love spellthief, but for one thing: Sleight of Hand is a cross-class skill for them - I love being able to steal spells, but when it comes down to it, I like to steal everything else too, if I am going to be the party rogue...
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You could use Skill Knowledge (Unearthed Arcana) to gain it as a class skill, passing on to any other classes you take on the way.
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Or you could take Jack Of All Trades, from Complete Adventurer. Some DMs might not allow everything (or anything) from Unearthed Arcana, but if you're allowed to make a Spellthief, surely anything else from Complete Adventurer would be fine...
Sorry to post in a dead thread, but I've just started playing a Spellthief (we're 4th level, actually), and I had a couple comments on what I've done. Starting with a first level Spellthief, I took second and third level in Fighter, gaining weapon proficiencies and a couple bonus feats. Also, Climb isn't a Spellthief class skill, but it is a Fighter class skill, so I bumped it up to 5 ranks over my two fighter levels. At 3rd level, one of my feats was Open Minded, for the additional skill points, which I sank into a couple Skill Tricks, from Complete Scoundrel. The Extreme Leap is pretty handy for closing in for a surprise round Sneak Attack with my Bastard Sword... The bonus Fighter feats were handy for acquiring Improved Feint and a Weapon Focus feat, which helps me hit things pretty handily. The low BAB of a Spellthief kind of hurts... Anyway, at 4th level, I'm back to Spellthief to stay. One thing I'd like to say is that although Sleight of Hand isn't a class skill, it hasn't really hurt me much. I have a rank or two in it, but mostly so I can use it at all. My Dexterity bonus and the synergy bonus from Bluff give me a pretty respectable Sleight of Hand bonus for a non-Rogue. I'm not going to be swiping the +5 Defender from the Red Dragon's hoard without him noticing, but it's pretty handy for pickpocketing drunks to get plot-crucial information and/or a little bit of gold for a drink, myself... Anyway, I'm thoroughly enjoying my Spellthief, thanks. Although I have to admit that I've mostly used my Spell-thieving abilities to date for borrowing the party Wizard's spells. I have taken a spell from a spell-casting monster, and it turned out to be his last spell, but it was, like, Mage Hand or something True Strike, as someone mentioned before, came in handy, as did Detect Magic when I was scouting ahead at one point. peace Nilchii Last edited by Nilchii; Dec 14th, 2007 at 03:44 PM. |
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