[OOC] The Chat Box

[GrassMonkey]

Well, Actually, he could ghost sound the sounds of the worm, silent image the worm with the target tattoos that happen to convieniently move as the worm does with the swift action silent image, and major image a copy of himself shouting instructions out of a megaphone...

I mean that would work too, then afterwards replace the swift action silent image with a swift action major image and carry on his merry way

I mean there are lot of ways to make this work with a guy who can maintain two illusion spells at once.

[GrassMonkey]

Object = scene

meh, the object = scene approach depends on the dm running the game, although in all honesty in 14 years of playing and dming, I've never had a dm who actually had a problem with object equalling a scene as long as I described every detail . The world is a stage within the area limit of the spell, but I have heard that a lot of dm's will nerf illusions a little bit, and with people who use them like i try to i kind of understand. Don't like it mind you because I love being super creative with illusion magic, but totally understand.

[PIG]

@Kurokuwashu: I was going to treat potions, extracts, and bombs as objects that I can draw from his cloak as a free action with another move action (like drawing a weapon). Everything in his sack would be considered a stored item and requires a full move action.

But then I thought I should ask your permission real quick before posting. Should I treat the potions and things in his cloak as a 'stored item' too? Thanks!

EDIT: To save the game time I'll post it as a free action. If it is not allowed then I'll change the post, that might be more efficient for time.

[PIG]

Damn! Nice scene, GallupsMirror. Horrible roll though lol!

[GrassMonkey]

As a note, the monk appears to be eaten by the worm itself, if he can't get out of the way in time, he has a 19 will save to realize it's not real. Once he recovers he could return to battle and confuse the hell out of apeman even more, I wouldn't I mean at this point I would be screaming for my life.

[Yuul]

How long does it take Virtak to get free of the cloud with one movement action a round?

[GrassMonkey]

I love how the monk completely ignores the giant monstrosity that exploded from the ground arround his feet,. cool beans.

As a note to give an explanation of what I see an illusionist as, I see an illusionist as an artist and the illusion as a scene, when an artist begins a painting the image is not the tiger standing on his back paws in a pink tutu that is juggling babies in the air,,..

God I am so sorry, I have to say I have no control over where my imagination takes me at all, these images just come unbiden to my head and you can't unsee the image I just put in your head. It's good to know there is a rock bottom that I have now hit, no matter what I say I will never say anything as bad as the image i just created. It's comforting to know I cannot get any worse than that.

Back to the topic at hand, the imaged is not the tiger, that is but 1 element of the scene, the image is the tree and moon in the background, it is the leaves blowing violently through the breeze it is the rabbit in the lime green suit at the bottom right hand of the canvas playing a fiddle. It is the baby that the tiger just dropped into a swarm of rats that is struggling with his last breath to avoid drowning in a sea of matted fur, claws, and teeth...

Ok, no that is the worst thing I have ever said, it will not get any worse than that! God, I am going to hell. I have to believe that there is a special room in hell for people like myself, comedians, and artist.

[Rekal]

Is it legal, and was it prescribed?

[GrassMonkey]

The problem is that I have been three weeks without my prescribed medications...

[GrassMonkey]

Originally Posted by Kurokuwashu

Ghost Sound only produces one type of sound and cannot be changed once made. Since you initiated the sound as shouting human voices, that sound will continue until the duration of the spell is complete.

The more I look at the spell description, I'm going to have to agree with Rekal about using the spell for intelligent speech. Ghost Sound says: "Thus, talking, singing, shouting, walking, marching, or running sounds can be created." Talking and being able to make intelligent speech through the sound are completely different things.

Silent Image only allows you to create the image of a single object, creature or force. Not multiple images. If it did, there would no need for Mirror Image as a defensive spell. You can create the image of the wyrm, but not the target becuase that would be two different things.

Ok, now that Im back home and not just my 15 minutes of lunchtime rambling, I have to adress this little bit.

Silent image can create more than a single image. Finieous can create an entire army of soldiers to march at their sides, the army is a force. That force is the image, each individual soldier within that force is a solitary element of the image. So saying it can only create a solitary image is kindof, well that's one I can't agree with on any level.

As far as mirror image, meh mirror images are fixed duration copies of you that completely mimic you and are in now way actually being controlled by the illusionist. The cannot be moved they cannot changed or be controlled. That is a completely different thing than silent image and major image which changes to suit the will of the caster. They simply remain within 5 ft of you and copy your every move.

[Rekal]

I hate to rain on your parade, but Major Image does not allow intelligible speech either.

The Pathfinder SRD Illusion page has this on the sidebar under Figment:

Originally Posted by Pathfinder SRD

A figment that includes audible effects cannot duplicate intelligible speech unless the spell description specifically says it can.

As far as I can tell Ventriloquism (Lvl 1)-- "Effect: intelligible sound, usually speech" is the first spell that allows you to produce intelligible speech. Persistent Image (Lvl 5) and Programed Image (Lvl 6) both also include intelligible speech and there doesn't appear to be anything between.

I was kind of disappointed in illusion spells when I realized this while researching it for a 3.5 character a while back. Looks like Pathfinder brought the rules in without any changes.

So unless Kuro wants to let it roll, Finieous will have to rely on his cute pixie voice for the time being.

[GrassMonkey]

Or hell just paint a big message across the worms back so everyone can see,... meh kuro let me know if i need to edit that out.. yeah that one kind of blows. I totally missed that somehow.

Good thing we aren't that far apart

[GallupsMirror]

The dice are trying to kill me.

Originally Posted by PIG

Damn! Nice scene, GallupsMirror. Horrible roll though lol!

[GrassMonkey]

Originally Posted by GallupsMirror

The dice are trying to kill me.

lol, right blame the dice, I've been spending the whole day trying to figure out what your character had been convicted of that he has such a death wish..

[GallupsMirror]

The final say is up to Kuro of course, but even if it does only allow 'a single image', it seems like a gnome with an intellect beyond genius could get around that limitation in many circumstances. For instance, an illusory army of marching soldiers could be kicking up an illusory semi-transparent cloud of dust, which would unify them into a single image.

Originally Posted by GrassMonkey

Ok, now that Im back home and not just my 15 minutes of lunchtime rambling, I have to adress this little bit.

Silent image can create more than a single image. Finieous can create an entire army of soldiers to march at their sides, the army is a force. That force is the image, each individual soldier within that force is a solitary element of the image. So saying it can only create a solitary image is kindof, well that's one I can't agree with on any level.

As far as mirror image, meh mirror images are fixed duration copies of you that completely mimic you and are in now way actually being controlled by the illusionist. The cannot be moved they cannot changed or be controlled. That is a completely different thing than silent image and major image which changes to suit the will of the caster. They simply remain within 5 ft of you and copy your every move.