[OOC] Chatter

[brisub]

She didn't agree with booting abadu

[xenavire]

I think Skurvin will regret booting Abadu - he was actually very useful, and very crafty. Hindsight though, and I don't see him running after him and begging him to bring the goblins back.

[Togot]

Are you kidding? I regret not killing him.

[xenavire]

Togot, might I remind you - Skurvin is not evil. Murder in cold blood is not the action of a neutral character, and I actually think you would end up having the whole party turn on you, goblins or not.

At the least, you would permanently divide the party - not a smart move.

[Togot]

no one likes an alignment lawyer, and if he thinks his life is in danger, he will kill. and I already know at least one other party member would back me up. So it would be three on 3 with our npc friend being the wild card, and kria is probably one of the strongest members in the group. I like my odds.

[xenavire]

I am not being an alignment lawyer - just remding you that he is heading down a path only evil characters go down, and it doesn't seem to fit. Think of it as RP lawyering.

And his life is hardly in danger, at least not from Abadu or the goblins (not to mention they are already gone), his fight would be with the dwarves (if he tries to pick that fight - they don't seem to be sending out search parties, do they?)

And you make assumptions on how a character will react - one might be fine with murdering goblins, but not fine with murdering humans. It could end up far more mismatched than you think.

[Togot]

rp lawyering, also not your job.

wrong again, abadu, in skurvin's mind, is the traitor, and we just let him run off with three goblins to do...what? Come back and kill us, go to their allies and tell them where we are? letting him go is STUPID! the goblins might kill him and then come back for us, there are a dozen ways this is a bad idea. i guess evil really will win, if good is this dumb

as for assumptions, you assume too much, you think the DM is the only one with a spy? >

[xenavire]

It sounds like you are metagaming a whole hell of a lot here - I do not approve at all. And no, it isn't my job - let's leave that to the DM.

However - Skurvin just assumed that Abadu is a spy, turned away potential allies, and threatened to murder them. Not only that, but you are making assumptions - you think that he knows where we are going, something Skurvin would know is not true - none of us know yet, except Francis - he has the scroll/map. And even if they did come back, do you seriously think the party wouldn't be on gaurd? We are all hyper alert and suspicious.

I think you are making wild assumptions and trying to sway people to your side of thinking, without a shred of proof. And I don't think we should drag out in-game arguments into OOC - I am not angry at you OOC. I just think you need to chill a bit, and let the DM work.

[brisub]

All, let's not turn this into a major row. From the perspective of Skurvin, it seems that the goblins and Adabu were a perceived threat (real or no, who knows, but it seemed that way to him). From others, it isn't. Hell, I make Elliseth wrong/mistaken all the time - she has a perspective and sees through that lens. It isn't good, bad or other. Some of her stuff annoys the other party members, other stuff makes them glad to have her.

[Delvarian]

So, wow. Who would have thought that a little scene introducing some goblins would turn into this. I can see things from both sides here, it's the old question of nature vs nurture. Are the goblins inherently evil? Different people are going to have differing oppinions on it. I don't think anyone has acted inappropriately in game, has Skurvin sometimes leaned toward evil decisions? Perhaps, but not in his mind. Anyway, I don't mind the fighting in game, but lets try to keep it out of the OOC area.

[xenavire]

I was trying to - I thought Togot would actually like to be reminded that his character isn't chaotic evil, and he lashed out. I was pretty content how the game was going before that. I have to say I don't ever remember a CN character wanting to murder someone or several someone's for that kind of reason - just figured I would mention my point if view, didn't expect that kind of reaction.

[UltraBlackone]

Honestly you should have expected that kind of action. You were kinda attacking his character verbally both in game and here, even if that wasn't what you were trying to do. I'll be surprised if Togot even decides he'll keep playing this game.


To Skurvin, these things were a threat on a number of levels and so attacking them would have been preemptive self-defense. I'd like to point out however that while he may have said that he shouldn't let the goblins live (and could have killed them with Kria at just about any time with a thought) he still let them leave untouched.

[Togot]

In fact, if you look at Skurvin's actual actions, he has gone out of his way to play peace keeper in this group. Honestly he's been acting against what I initially wanted all this time. Skurvin isn't chaotic at all, he's very calculating, but he is also human, and humans are nuanced depending on their situation. frankly at this point he is so fed up with people doing things that cause problems, i could easily justify him doing an evil act because he has simply had enough of the stupid

[xenavire]

He might have tried to be peacekeeper, but has not been very successful - he antagonised people as often as trying to calm them - he should expect backlash.

And outside the group, he has only alienated the group from the NPC's - mistakes that Meadowfinder did his best to patch up, repeatedly. If not for him, a good portion, if not all of the group would be dead or in irons, and he quite possibly kept the one NPC who can help us from flat out leaving - Meadowfinder has done his best to help the group, despite his interactions with Skurvin, and has objectively done a better job so far.

I am not going to argue your motivations any further - but when you have half the party sitting on good alignment, you would be pretty foolish to try murdering anyone, and right now it feels like I am the only one RP'ing alignment and backstory correctly. I would love to be proven wrong here.

[Togot]

funny, I seem to remember meadow picking a fight with the orc, and constantly picking fights with skurvin because...why? He make good plans and makes him feel dumb? Elliseth picking a fight with sir Lawrance, Aljahar picking a fight with dwarven guards, you picking a fight with a dwarven merchant, the very one you had to go to no less.

I really have no idea what you are talking about unless it was secret text as far as Meadow doing a good job at anything other than causing problems by announcing to everyone we had a spy. It did nothing but put us against one another.

And if we had done things his way with the necklace we would all be hanging from a rope right now