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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 02:54 AM
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Muggins, you've only reiterated what I've already said. The only ability changed in both variants is the eidolon feature. The bond senses, life bond, shield ally, maker's call, transposition, merge forms, and summon abilities are not affected by both archetypes at the same time. Remove the bonus 3 evo points from Wild Caller and you only face a more resilient foe, so I simply yield to VUN at this point. I honestly couldn't care less regarding this; it only affects how I assign evo points.

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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 03:37 AM
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If that is the case, then what is to stop others from wanting to take a slice of cake? I like cake. I am a hungry ghost/shinigami. None of the monk archetypes besides vows really work for that anyways. That and climbing. That drives me up a wall.

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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 03:45 AM
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Yup, and I'm just saying it how it is. I wasn't so much disagreeing as I was trying to state the facts. Sorry if I seemed rude about it.
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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 05:10 AM
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Bad news guys I don't have enough time to make up the sheet and what not for another character and have another game going due to my heavy schedule. I'll have to withdraw from this campaign, so sorry!
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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 05:33 AM
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Muggins, you've only reiterated what I've already said. The only ability changed in both variants is the eidolon feature. The bond senses, life bond, shield ally, maker's call, transposition, merge forms, and summon abilities are not affected by both archetypes at the same time. Remove the bonus 3 evo points from Wild Caller and you only face a more resilient foe, so I simply yield to VUN at this point. I honestly couldn't care less regarding this; it only affects how I assign evo points.
I think the point was more, "this is not allowed by the rules" and less "omg this is borked." Although by being a half elf summoner you also have to option of using your favored class bonus to get extra points, so to be completely fair, that build nets you a bonus 6 evolution points...more than 1/4 the points you have. And an argument against the two being allowed together (aside from the rules) is that synthesist allows you to become almost completely independent enhancing attributes you could dump, giving lots of free benefits and you get a limited pool of resources to draw on to enhance it. Wild caller makes your eidolon more of a beast and because of that has extra evolution points to spend...and three is no small amount on its own since it allows you free access to the second highest tier of evolutions. So by combining the two you are getting to make yourself less vulnerable...getting around shared item slots, and powering up your meat suit...

I've always wanted to do a monk of the four winds/master of many styles...after all the only overlap is the level 20 ability...but that overlap makes it outside the rules...plus that would make it a rather crazy build for someone that focused on the style feats that altered elemental fist. Paizo is very good at game balance and the like overall, I say we trust in their choice and wording.

But as stated, it's a DM call ultimately.

Edit: and as an aside to that point. If you haven't received explicit approval from the DM it's safest to assume it won't be allowed. Especially on this site, what DMs do/don't allow as well as their house rules vary wildly so bring in assumptions from other games/DMs just leads to complications.

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I decided to take a look at my fellow contestants. I don't know if I'm worried about anyone other than the spellcasters, and even that's a maybe.

Who wants to eat 9 attacks a round?
Wow 9 Attacks... thats 8 more than i need
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I hope I can get into this game. PMed to VUN this morning.

Has anyone asked if intelligent items are allowed?
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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 12:41 PM
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Valid closed applications and chose his players half a week ago. This is the first time I've seen people assuming they can still get in just because there's been no in-game posts yet, and it kinda irks me.

Edit: Just prodding this forum in the hope that Valid will realise that he has a game to DM. I don't believe anyone's asked about intelligent items yet.

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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 03:21 PM
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That is incorrect, applications didn't close until the 28th. Even when he said he had accepted some people he said everyone else has to days and that was on February 26. Of the people who have asked if they can still be in, those ones with complete applications by the deadline should still be considered, however those coming late to the game should assume they won't get in. If I was a player and got my application done in time then someone submitted one late and got in I would be upset.

However you can't be upset if the DM states a deadline and people interested in the game completed applications by that deadline.
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Valid closed applications and chose his players half a week ago. This is the first time I've seen people assuming they can still get in just because there's been no in-game posts yet, and it kinda irks me.

Edit: Just prodding this forum in the hope that Valid will realise that he has a game to DM. I don't believe anyone's asked about intelligent items yet.
I am yet to see a post that says apps are closed. He also said he needs 12+ people, which means atleast 12.
And there was just a person who quit.

Theres absolutely no reason why we cant have alot of people.

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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 06:32 PM
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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 07:43 PM
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Three years out, and I STILL use terms like Joe Shmuckatelli. Lol.

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I hope you realize that I had to reread that twice to make sure what I was seeing was true, at which I just about died laughing.
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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 08:44 PM
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Ooh, the idea of not starting with psionic focus is scary. I've always assumed that it was something psionic characters took care of when they woke up every day...
Right, dunno what Psionic focus is.

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Cyril has a lot of things he could feasibly have active before the start of combat. He has a psionic focus, astral skin, mind armour, mind blade and mind shield.
Still no idea. Pesky Psionics. One day I will have to read that damn rulebook. Sounds really powerful thus scary. Hmm.

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These are all abilities with infinite durations, and ones that he'd likely handle at the start of the day. They are akin to fighters donning armour, alchemists preparing their mutagens, summoners calling their eidolons or Vancian spellcasters preparing their spells. What preparations can a character make before the start of a match, if any?
Or like a Sorcerer casting her many prep spells at the start of the day. It strikes me that Arcane casters are getting the worst of this, we can't fly, we can't have a bunch of spells up before play, nobody else seems to be getting much of a handicap.

Also, infinite duration?

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But I think wild caller synthesists should be more or less fine. (Though RAW wise not allowed)
Umm. Don't really understand them either. Just because they look complicated. Right, something else to avoid.

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I decided to take a look at my fellow contestants. I don't know if I'm worried about anyone other than the spellcasters, and even that's a maybe.

Who wants to eat 9 attacks a round?
I don't really want to eat 9 attacks a round, no. Actually, you are in luck from my side. I don't think Penelope will even have a weapon. 0 attacks a round. And she can't fly out of the way.

Well then.

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Old Mar 1st, 2014, 08:54 PM
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Sounds to me like Penelope is going to have one hell of a time at this Captain K.
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