[PF-1e] Blood and Guts

[mightymconeshot]

Yup unless you are using the sphere archetype which I am not sure kineticist has.

[Preacherwolf]

Originally Posted by mightymconeshot

Yup unless you are using the sphere archetype which I am not sure kineticist has.

It surprisingly does, but its for the spheres of magic and it basically locks me into blasting and only blasting. So I'm not really a fan of it

[ShadowcatX]

Originally Posted by Preacherwolf

Conversely, I never thought I'd be making a character and thinking "do I even need all of these feats? What am I going to use them for?" which leads me to a question:

Am I reading spheres of might (I've never used them before) correctly, to get talent points to buy into the spheres of power I trade my regular feat progression for either access to Proficient or Adept progression of talents?

Yes, you can trade out 5 feats for 10 talents, or 8 for 15.

[Preacherwolf]

okay, so this is now starting to make sense to me. I understand why people love these supplements. It almost makes me want to make a full caster to use the Sphere of Death to its fullest extent

[Ermine]

Just because I don't know how it works with templates, if a CR+2 template lowers your effective class level, do you get the favored class bonus for those two levels, or are you stuck at, in this case, level 10? (I hope the question made sense)

Determines if I get my final tail (through favored class bonuses) at the start of this or two levels later if I end up with a CR+2 one.

[ShadowcatX]

You're level 10 in all ways, the +2 are basically lost levels due to how powerful your template is.

[Ermine]

That's what I figured, just wanted to make sure. Now I just have to hope for a weaker one~

Also, can I have a free (cosmetic) tail? Just to represent the kitsune ancestry, and so she can have a full 9 instead of maxing out at 8.

[ShadowcatX]

Originally Posted by Preacherwolf

okay, so this is now starting to make sense to me. I understand why people love these supplements. It almost makes me want to make a full caster to use the Sphere of Death to its fullest extent

Oh yeah. One build I want to play someday is a hedge witch with martial and triple goddess archetypes. Full casting from life and death (and fate), 3/4ths bab and martial spheres, mix in two to 4 levels of sphere magus and you have a necromancer leading the skeleton horde, full attacking and casting every turn and supporting the undead horde (both from death and from leadership) with warleader talents.

[Unforgiven]

I've made a couple undead horde characters, they're a lot of work and your horde tends to get wiped out a lot.

[Preacherwolf]

Originally Posted by Unforgiven

I've made a couple undead horde characters, they're a lot of work and your horde tends to get wiped out a lot.

See, I don't even want to create an undead horde. I always prefer to use undead as tools. Like have them on hamster wheels to run a mill, or push a cart, use as cheap labour to collect basic resources that sort of thing or even do menial task such as digging a cave for a hideout. If I wanted a minion army, I'd just play a summoner and spam summon monster

[ShadowcatX]

Originally Posted by Unforgiven

I've made a couple undead horde characters, they're a lot of work and your horde tends to get wiped out a lot.

That's the great thing about mixing the spheres abilities, you don't really care about them getting wiped out. Followers are easy to replenish (though looking at the leadership sphere, sadly they can't be undead, though I guess that does mean you have a near unlimited supply of bodies, recycling boys and girls, good for undead armies and good for the environment), and you can take powerful enough undead cohorts (even a squad) that they're non-trivial to take down with leadership, then you can reanimate bigger things to give you undead monstrosities with death sphere.

Also, one other thing about minions, every attack against a minion is an attack that isn't against you.

One of the other things you can do with spheres and minions is not actually exist. There's an archetype for the wraith class where you play a collective power rather than a character per se. Like a magical entity that can exert control over your "cohorts."

[Ermine]

Application Name: Dao Wu Feng Race: Drow Heritage and Drow Magic alternate racial traits Racial Heritage (kitsune) feat. "Drowgitsune". Traits: Nine Tailed Scion (race), Anatomist (combat) Feats: 1 Racial Heritage (kitsune) 3 Drow Nobility 5 Improved Drow Nobility 7 Greater Drow Nobility 9 Umbral Scion (Dispel Magic) 11 Improved Umbral ScionHalf-Elf (1. Zombie Lord, 2. Apostle Kyton, 3. Mummy Lord, 4. Death Knight, 5. Vampire, 6. Graveknight, 7. I don't qualify for it, so it has to be last.Lich) Class: Weapon Training: Crossbows Advanced Weapon Training: Versatile Training (Perception, Stealth) Feats: Magical Tail ×6, Fletcher's Mark (rune) FCB: +12/6 Magical TailFighter, Runes: Cunning, Time Practitioner Modifier: Charisma Martial Tradition: Drow Training -Alchemy sphere (Poison Package) -Equipment sphere: Mechanical Training (discipline), Unarmored Training -Sniper sphere Talents from Levels 1, 2, 3 - Equipment sphere: Medical Malpractice, Critical Genius for Repeating Light Crossbow, Expert Reloading 4, 5, 6 - Equipment sphere: Mechanical Savant, Natural Materials, Archery Bash (discipline) 7, 8 - Sniper sphere: Focusing Reload, Perfect Shot 9, 10 - Alchemy sphere: Focusing Poisoning, Three Wise Monkeys (toxin) 11, 12 - Barrage sphere: Close Combat SpecialistRunesinger archetype Intended Role: Mind Control, Stealth, Damage Dealer Alignment: Neutral Evil Spheres / Schools: Time (later on), Alchemy, Athletics (later on), Barrage, Sniper   Height: 5'8" | Weight: 140 lbs Age: 24 | Skin: Was fair, now sallow Hair: White, short bob, ribboned Eyes: Violet, large, but starting to turn milky in death Usual Attire: Doll-like, knee-length, ornate black dresses made partially of spidersilk, and hair ribbons to match. These dresses expose a good amount of flesh, the drow part of her upbringing saying to show more skin when she feels safer and more powerful than those around her. In life, and now in death, Wu Feng has a round face with a small chin. She has slightly-less-squishable cheeks than in life, perhaps, but she still considers herself attractive by undead standards. Her small lips and thin nose don't draw as much attention as her large, violet eyes. The young woman's slightly pointed ears hint at her drow ancestry, though she has too many canine teeth to fully pass as a drow. Her shoulders are narrow, even compared to other women, allowing her to get into uncomfortable positions with ease. Wu Feng's multiple, well-groomed fox tails, that match her hair in color, stand out as much, if not more, than any of her other features. She carries herself with the poise of a drow matriarch.   Although deep down, she's a cunning opportunist, Wu Feng acts like a people person. She's no expert with people, but she likes to gather their secrets to use later for any gain she can get. She doesn't do this to everyone, just people she doesn't like...which is most people. Wu Feng believes in female superiority, like most drow, unless a male has proven himself to her. She also believes drow are superior to other races, as she was taught by her mother, and believes herself to be superior to other drow due to her expanded magical capabilities. Unlike her mother, Wu Feng doesn't know she's only a weapon and will never be part of drow society. This information would only serve to make her angry. Working on what she does know - that she's a superior drow specimen - she's happy with the results. The fact she's part of an experiment doesn't bother her in the least. She has even participated in the experiment quite a few times. She has no interest in humans for the experiment, and only regards her human ancestry as a basic necessity for the experiment, given humanity's moldable genetics. She has enjoyed the company of tieflings and aasimar alike, but never a single gnome, despite their inherent magic. She has very little interest in them, due to both size and fey ancestry.   Wu Feng is part of a eugenics experiment to breed more magic into the bloodline. Her grandmother is a powerful drow matriarch and priestess of Lolth, as Wu Feng herself would like to be, though serves on the surface for now. Wu Feng was born in the Wandering Isles, the homeland of her father, however, so has not had any contact with her "true homeland" deep underneath Varisia yet. The drow side of Wu Feng has always been the primary focus of her family, especially since her father, Hak Chin-hae, could not become a great kumiho. His mother, however, sported nine tails, as did her mother before her, so Dao Wu Shi, Wu Feng's mother, believed he was a prime candidate for the experimental breeding. Their union resulted in twin girls with the magic of both sides. From the time she could walk, Wu Feng had magic. It was ingrained in her genetics, not something she ever had to work toward. She has always used it with care...on anyone she cared to use it on. She found many creative ways to use it in her youth, encouraged by both her parents to explore her power, so she could one day wield it in the drow courts of the Darklands. She was also given a repeating light crossbow and drow razor and was trained to use them effectively when she turned 10. These have grown magically with her, albeit through expenditure of gold and enchantment by magical experts. The young half-drow, half-kitsune girl spent a great deal of her teen years trying to select a mate that would continue the experiment for another generation. She, however, didn't keep any of them around, or alive, for long. She doesn't know what the ideal mate will be, but she has certainly considered many a tiefling or aasimar as a curiosity she would like to try more of. Wu Feng moved to Strathmoor alone in her late teens, leaving even her twin behind with her parents, but instantly found herself to be a part of the society. Not the good part, of course, but the part that mattered. She found others with similar, power-focused mindsets and made them her acquaintances ("friends" would be a word she would never use to describe them, but nevertheless, it's the closest she'll get to anyone long term). Her reason for moving was simple: to get closer to "home" while still practicing for drow society on the surface. It was also a bit of a scouting mission in case the young drow wanted to raise an army to conquer the surface, but that was a long way off. While in Strathmoor, Wu Feng acted as a spy, though not for any organization - she worked for those she trusted to build their power and hers...which drew the attention of one Demetrious, unfortunately the Holy Lord of the city. She gained his ire when she got important, sensitive information about members of his court that he would much rather not get out, though she has yet to reveal what that information is to anyone. Needless to say, she believes the information is going to be obsolete soon, with the entire court's inevitable downfall. In her interactions with the Strathmoor citizenry, Wu Feng has been described as "overly pleasant," a status she has enjoyed only because it allowed easier access to people's innermost secrets. She plays the long game, however, and hasn't revealed any more secrets than are necessary for her assumed duties, so as to not ruin her chances of getting more information. She suspects that even while undead, she has more than enough people trusting her to continue forming a new empire. It was only recently she had glowing, magical runes tattooed on her shoulders, which she keeps fully visible at all times. The tattoos depict ancient Tien symbols of Cunning and Time, things she believes she has an overabundance of now, in death.   Wu Feng wants to return to her motherland far beneath Varisia as the most powerful entity, ruling for eternity by divine right as a child of Lolth. She has no plans for Strathmoor, but supports her allies' ambitions for the town, and will reap any benefits that come her way for doing so. As for the man she wants to kill the most, she only hopes he isn't resistant to mind control.   5 Background and Concept Elements that you feel are important to your image of the character. These can be a concept overview, a list of important life events, a physical description, a personality profile...whatever you need to get an image in your mind. 5 is just a minimum...more elements are encouraged! -A cunning opportunist -Her tail first split in two at age 8, signifying increasing power. It would do so again many times in the future. -Her mother favors her over her twin, but her father favors Bao Jun. -Everything she does on the surface she sees as practice for her return to the Darklands. -She is part of an experimental family line -Unlike other Lolth followers, she believes that drow should come together to conquer the surface. 2 Goals for the Character. At least one of these goals should be one that the character has, while another should be one that you, as a player, want to see developed over the course of the game. -Return to her homeland and take her place in drow society as a superior being, as stated elsewhere. -I want her secret gathering to be important to whatever the party does with Strathmoor, be it as a Master of Whispers or just helping them gain a foothold in getting the town to trust them enough. Or fear them. 2 Secrets About Your Character. One is a secret the character knows, one is a secret that involves him but that he is not actually aware of yet. This will help me in creating plots that center around your character. -Known Secret: Wu Feng has killed all three of her children in the name of Lolth, as they were all boys. -Unknown Secret: The homeland she knows the location of has been wiped from the Darklands by who-knows-whom. Her family left before the homeland was destroyed. Bonus Unknown Secret: Her grandmother created her genetic line as a weapon, not a part of drow high society, and her mother carried it on with that same knowledge. 3 People That Are Tied to the Character. At least one of them is friendly to the character, and at least one is hostile. One of these characters should be tied to your character's Affiliation. -Dao Bao Jun - Friendly - Wu Feng's An oracle with the Reaper mystery and Haunted cursetwin sister -Rin Tuo - Hostile - A full-blooded drow, cousin to a tiefling Wu Feng "dispatched after relations." -Fe the Spiderling - unknown - A tiefling she had briefly worked with before her move to Strathmoor. 3 Memories, Mannerisms, or Quirks That Your Character Has. They don't have to be elaborate, but they should provide some context and flavor. -Has the poise and bearing of a drow matriarch -Is actually quite nervous in large crowds of people, and clenches and unclenches her fists to relieve stress in these situations. -Remembers the song Rin Tuo's cousin, Dar Mien, hummed right before she smothered him.   The sky had been dark for the last hour, and Wu Feng had been physically enjoying the entire time with the tiefling, Dar Mien. As soon as they had finished, after a number of ales (some treated with poison, others not), Dar Mieb laughed, and started humming a tune. "I'm sure you didn't know, but at home, I'm a very important woman. Part of an experiment to improve my race." The young half-drow whispered in his ear, to a silent, "ah", before continued drunken humming. "It's quite an honor for me to continue the line. Even more of an honor for you, so long as we have a daughter." He stopped his humming, having not yet considered the rammifications of his actions with her. "Don't worry, you won't have to deal with the responsibility. I'll take that on myself." She continued, her voice quiet, waiting for the poison to take full hold and weaken him in his already weakened state. "And she'll be quite the specimen, with my power combined with yours...Lolth be praised, should we have a girl..." She spoke softly into his ear, his humming continued, some sea shanty or other. He was a pirate, after all, in port for some fun times only, as he had said. She wasn't attracted to him because of his appearance or lifestyle, though. It was all his innate magic. She had seen him work it in the market, stealing and turning a corner before changing his appearance and blatently walking by the merchant and guards with the stolen goods.She wished for her children to have the same power, maybe more. Most of his magic had been learned as a wizard, but that didn't mean he was useless. That had earned her approval, after all. It just meant any children produced wouldn't inherit the magic, necessarily. And if it were a boy, it wouldn't matter anyway. She'd just dispose of him as she had the other two...and their fathers. And Dar Mien, soon. "But you have nothing to worry about. Rest now, my dear pirate lover." He continued to hum until the moment the pillow was over his face, when his voice became a hum, trying hard to breathe, and failing. It would be his final failing.

[triedtherest]

@Shadowcat - Followers CAN be undead, just like Cohorts. Take the Undead Followers Drawback, this gives you the Master of the Dead Cohort Talent. This has the "Drawback" that you can only recruit Undead Cohorts, and if you take the Followers Talent, they are Undead too.

[ShadowcatX]

Awesome, thank you. I thought there was a way but I over looked it.

[Preacherwolf]

So what I'm hearing is all three of us get in, all three of us take the undead followers "drawback" and then we run Barter Town with an undead horde up to and including an undead Tina Turner