[PF-1e] A Town Called Sweetwater

[CatCanCook]

OK, you'll obviously take a tank or Frontline slot-- and we'll have room for at least one more Frontline fighter.

Take the skill Knowledge: Distant Realms instead of Knowledge: Planes.

The positive energy based healing ability is supernatural and would not be usable in an anti magic zone, and it would not recharge daily uses in a null magic zone.

Pick arcane or divine as a theme. This is mostly for flavor: do you pull power from a distant realm's inanimate energy field, or is the energy sourced from a Power?

The heal skill can also be used, in combination with technological healing devices if you are a Technologist. If you are interested in that flexibility to work in null and anti magic regions, that is possible but it takes some investment.

[DeepFriedWyzard]

Sweet, sweet Water! "All I know about my father is that we have the same eyes... And that fact alone terrified every. single. one of them." L O R E L E i "Lore" N i G H T S H A D E Female | Half-Orc | Sword-Binder 70 in / 177 cm | 177 lb / 80 kg Character Feats Azerkan Frontierwoman Pass for Human Racial and Bonus Traits Darkvision Grim Optimism Marked by Unknown Forces Muscle of the Society Overlooked Mastermind Self-Taught Scholar Drawback Haunted Background: Lorelei was born to an orc mother, and never knew her father. She learned from a very young age that she was gifted in a way the monsters surrounding her could never comprehend. Her mother was considered a pariah with her own natural gift for magic (and could have been a sorceress with more training), who gave her life to help her child escape to Azerka to start a new life. She joined the Order of Sword-Binders within MageCorp, but soon decided she was smart enough to continue learning magic on her own. Now, Lore travels the frontier alone, looking for lost or hidden arcane knowledge, maybe even a cause worth fighting for. Personality: Lore has an extremely fierce temper that she keeps tightly under wraps. In general, she comes across cold, keeps people at a distance, but is more than willing to work with others toward a common cause. On the rare occasion she makes a joke, it comes with deadpan delivery and catches others off-guard. Her one soft spot is children and babies; she will completely forget her hard-ass facade and begin baby talking with little ones. Drawback: Memories of her home-tribe have been compressed into a thin haze, but the emotional scars are eternal. Despite her intellect and focus, the raging heart of an orc is still hiding within Lorelei, tempered by her resolve.

[CatCanCook]

Having a secret conversation about a prospective build.

[jr1v3]

I wonder how it might work a summoner with an eilodon in an antimagic zone...

I want to play but I have no experience in pathfinder. I hope with the help of everyone, that I can make it.

I have some questios about it.

How it would work antimagic against an eilodon?

How or where this summoner could learn his profession?

Is the mage-Corps a good place for a summoner? I was thinking to him being as part of an organization that works like a agent, like a detective solving problems every where he goes with his companion aka his eilodon.

[CatCanCook]

Here is an update on the current player & character status. All tentative still as no characters are built out or accepted yet -- so I'm definitely seeking players still.

Once we have several players accepted I can ask the admins to create a game forum. (I'll join as a community supporter then, as I'll want more folders.)

Player	Character	Race,Class	Status
Sirviantis	none	none	Interested
OrianaOleander	none	?, Wizard(Sword Binder)	Interested
Touketsu	none	none	Interested
Kshnik	none	Dwarf, fighter/brawler	Interested
jr1v3	none	?, Summoner	none

Also -- if you are looking for a little more background, I added another spoiler button to this thread's original post. It briefly describes the nations-- which are also mentioned in the Regional Feats spoiler button.

[CatCanCook]

@jr1v3 --

Welcome to RPGCrossing and to Pathfinder. Don't worry about being new-- there are plenty of places on this site where you can ask questions, and helpful people. The pace of PBP is ... slow ... compared to table top so there is time to learn rules as you go. The materials are all online.

For Summoners, use the Unchained Summoner here. (Why? It is a broad consensus that the original Summoner class has an overpowered spell list and eidolons.)

My particular game universe does not have extraplanar dimensions; an Outsider is a magical being manifested from a distant source within the Sphere. The Eidolon will be under the regime of some Power -- a god who is of a corresponding alignment and general nature. Yet your power is fundamentally arcane: you draw from the energies of the nearest ley line like a wizard or sorcerer; you specialize in a particular focused subset of magic, and over time your specific investment of energy, knowledge and soul-stuff binds you and your eidolon closer together. But your relationship with the divine is distant and only by your eidolon as proxy -- as a summoner you are not close to the divine like a cleric/oracle/druid/paladin.

An antimagic field would cause an eidolon to wink out, the same as any summoned creature.

If you go with any pure spellcaster -- avoid antimagic areas!

The most straightforward place to have learned Summoner magic is at an Azerkan magic academy. The MageCorp does train Summoners, though they are a small minority of casters.

If you are interested in being an agent-- that is possible. There are a couple ways to go about that -- you could just have a relationship with superior officers, get periodic assignments, etc. while remaining very much an amateur investigator.

Or you could mix in one or more levels of the Investigator class as you level up -- and become more of a professional at digging into mysteries. Even a single level in Investigator would open up roleplaying opportunities without nerfing a Summoner much. The Sleuth archetype is Cha based and might dovetail somewhat. The Steel Hound Investigator variant might be useful in a gunslinging world.

I wouldn't stray too far from a pure summoner though, as that class is awesome by itself and doesn't need distractions.

Anyway ... just some thoughts.

[jr1v3]

Originally Posted by CatCanCook

@jr1v3 --

Welcome to RPGCrossing and to Pathfinder. Don't worry about being new-- there are plenty of places on this site where you can ask questions, and helpful people. The pace of PBP is ... slow ... compared to table top so there is time to learn rules as you go. The materials are all online.

For Summoners, use the Unchained Summoner here. (Why? It is a broad consensus that the original Summoner class has an overpowered spell list and eidolons.)

My particular game universe does not have extraplanar dimensions; an Outsider is a magical being manifested from a distant source within the Sphere. The Eidolon will be under the regime of some Power -- a god who is of a corresponding alignment and general nature. Yet your power is fundamentally arcane: you draw from the energies of the nearest ley line like a wizard or sorcerer; you specialize in a particular focused subset of magic, and over time your specific investment of energy, knowledge and soul-stuff binds you and your eidolon closer together. But your relationship with the divine is distant and only by your eidolon as proxy -- as a summoner you are not close to the divine like a cleric/oracle/druid/paladin.

An antimagic field would cause an eidolon to wink out, the same as any summoned creature.

If you go with any pure spellcaster -- avoid antimagic areas!

The most straightforward place to have learned Summoner magic is at an Azerkan magic academy. The MageCorp does train Summoners, though they are a small minority of casters.

If you are interested in being an agent-- that is possible. There are a couple ways to go about that -- you could just have a relationship with superior officers, get periodic assignments, etc. while remaining very much an amateur investigator.

Or you could mix in one or more levels of the Investigator class as you level up -- and become more of a professional at digging into mysteries. Even a single level in Investigator would open up roleplaying opportunities without nerfing a Summoner much. The Sleuth archetype is Cha based and might dovetail somewhat. The Steel Hound Investigator variant might be useful in a gunslinging world.

I wouldn't stray too far from a pure summoner though, as that class is awesome by itself and doesn't need distractions.

Anyway ... just some thoughts.

You really read my mind, I was thinking exactly about being a amateur investigator with deep bond with some superiors that sometimes makes my character get unwanted periodic assigments (this could be one of this) to solve, because he likes to solves the cases that nobody wants for two reason, the sake of his pride as a Magecorp's summoner (he is underestimated a lot as a Magecorp's summoner by his peers of the Azekan magic academy) and because most of the cases he found innocent people desperated need for help.

You suggestions looks interesting but right now I will stay as a pure summoner. I have a another doubts about the summoner so I will shot it to you, so bear with me a little.

Here are the questions

1. I guess I get a subdomain type, right?
2. How it work the 2 claws attack of an eidolon? it says the damage is 1d4+str but that mean I have to do two attacks separated or one and do 2d4+strx2?
3. It can get the form I desire? Like a humanoid wolfgirl, more like a girl with tail, wolf ears, with claw hand and fur in her hand and forehands, foot until her knees, chest and waist? (I was thinking in a agathion or kami subtype for that.)
4. Can a eilodon use armor or items? Or even clothes?
5. What kind of recomendation you can give me to use the evo point? (I was thinking maybe improving her natural armor in case she can't use humanoid armor or improve her claws damage.)
6. What kind of feat you woud reccomend for the summoner and eilodon?
And last bu the most important

Can you give feedback about the background of a summoner of the magecorp should know and a llittle of the story of the world he could know as a magecorp member?

P.D. can i go wild about the history behind the eilodon?

[Kshnik]

Pieter Pieter Osmaplite sheet Race: Dwarf Sex: Male Class: Brawler Age: 50 Height: 4'3" Weight: 178 Trait: Battlefield surgeon, Precise Treatment, Scholar of the Great Beyond Drawback: Overprotective Bonus (Drawback): Feat: Weapon Focus (Close Combat Group) | Trait: Defender of the Society     Description Pieter has the physical build of a typical dwarf. His movements are strong and simple, yet he has almost a dancer’s touch to his gait; which comes in the form of a slight hop. His voice is gravelly and unwelcoming. Pieter has raven blue hair in a wide Mohawk cut. He has a large jawline, solid forehead and strong cheekbones that rest within a square shape face. In typical dwarven fashion, he has one short central braid that centers on his chin and two longer braids that fall just below his chest. His eyes are almond shape with brownish orange pupils. He emits an aroma of coal smoke forged with onions. He has fiery brownish red skin, marbled with yellowish white dots, covered by the soft natural brown colors of his armor. His armor comes in different pieces: Head, upper torso, lower torso, shoulders, arms, legs and sandals for feet. It is made with a mixture of leather and hexagonal plates of iron bone and horn, bound together in rows by cord. The leather is lacquered with lime and sticky rice to protect it from weather and toughen it against claws, arrows and weapons. The upper torso is divided into side armor, two pieces joined by hooks and ties in center of back and stomach, and upper armor that protects the chest, back, shoulder and biceps and connects to belly guard in front and back. Kilt like flaps, that overlap and run from his waist to knees, protects his groin area. Guard pieces are used to protect his forearms that extends to the back of hands, calves and shins. On his head he wears a sun hat with an outer layer made of straw and mud and interior made of leather, iron and bone. Completing his armor are caltrop sandals that protect his feet. On his forearms and thighs are sheaths containing wooden and iron spikes. On his hip is a wide belt, with the buckle that resembles a dwarf, that supports a few thick pouches and two odd shaped shields with odd razor sharp angles. Quick release straps run from his back over his shoulders and under his arms supporting a backpack loaded with supplies and equipment.   Personality “Cranky“ is the phrase thrown around from those who first meet Pieter. However, underneath he is a sweet and kind soul who genuinely cares for others. Passion runs deep within the dwarf’s heart and tears have flowed from his eyes more than once due to some incident. Though if slighted Pieter can become Ill-tempered and aloof and only help those that he knows has put in the hard work. No free meals from me. Except if there are children involved; he has a soft spot for them. Children and close friends will always have a spot at my table. Pieter enjoys listening and telling of tales, slightly embellished, of course, while drinking, multiple, mugs of mead.   Background Pieter's clan grew up facing the undead over giants, orcs and giants and as such has learned to fight against them. The clan being more reliant on themselves have focused their young on being more craft oriented. Pieter mind brought up, even though he fought against such thoughts, the last day with his family and clan. He remembers that day well, his thoughts full of promise, joy and excitement as he reached the fifth level of life; 50 years and the age where Pieter life becomes his own. His family had different plans for him. He spoke. They didn’t listen. He argued. They gave an ultimatum. He left. What they wanted was best for the family and clan what he wanted was best for him. Pieter wants to continues with his life on the move. He wants to travel to as many major cities as possible. Yet it is the actual voyage that is more important than the destination. When traveling from place to place he likes to take the backroads and find the shortcuts. As he travels he marks down the best inns, location of water sources and reliable campsites.

[CatCanCook]

I am brainstorming a Clockwork Eidolon -- variant of eidolon that is close to the Inevitable eidolon, but starts with strong defenses but a couple of disadvantages. It has a set of evolutions available to it that make it less like an animal and potentially more like a combat vehicle.

I am not suggesting that anyone take it, but posting here more for brainstorming purposes.

 

Clockwork Eidolon

Clockwork Eidolons are haphazard and rugged clockwork constructs, jerry rigged hulks looking like they bound for the scrap yard, but running ceaselessly none the less. They are logical, literal and bullheaded -- but may soften that with wry humor. On occasions, they may need coaxing like a stubborn mule. They tend to be practical, empirical, and disinterested in abstractions, indifferent to art or beauty.

Alignment: Neutral

Base Form(s): Biped (limbs [arms], limbs [legs], slam), or quadruped (limbs [legs, 2], bite).

Base Evolutions: At 1st level, clockwork eidolons count as both constructs and outsiders for the purpose of effects such as the bane weapon special ability and the favored enemy class feature. They are immune to death effects, disease, necromancy effects, paralysis, poison, sleep, and stun. DR 2/adamantine. At first level, a clockwork eidolon is always staggered. A clockwork eidolon, while it has this staggered condition, can (like a zombie) move up to its speed and attack in the same round as a charge action. The soonest the eidolon can evolve out of a staggered state is at 3rd level, at the cost of 1 evolution point. At first level a clockwork eidolon gains +3 bonus hit points, but it loses them when staggered is removed.

Weaknesses: vulnerable to electricity. (This may be removed by spending 1 evolution point at 6th level or beyond, and the eidolon cannot gain resistance to electricity until that is done.)

* At 4th level, clockwork eidolons evolve past being staggered, and gain immunity to nonlethal damage, fatigue, and exhaustion.
* At 8th level, clockwork eidolons gain a +4 bonus on saving throws against mind-affecting effects. DR 3/adamantine. Base speed increases 10’.
* At 12th level, clockwork eidolons gain immunity to ability damage, ability drain, and energy drain. DR 5/adamantine
* At 16th level, clockwork eidolons gain DR 8/adamantine. Base speed increases 10’.
* At 20th level, clockwork eidolons gain immunity to paralysis, sleep, stun, and any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects). Gain DR 10/adamantine.

Clockwork Specific Evolutions: 1 evolution point

Overcome Staggered

Overcome Vulnerability to Electricity

Treads. Prerequisite: Trample. The eidolon gains a +4 racial bonus to their Combat Maneuver Defense when resisting a bull rush or trip attempt while standing on the ground. Reduces the difficulty of difficult terrain by 1 category.

Integrated Firearm. Similar to Claws, but each Integrated firearm takes a place on a limb that a claw would occupy. This can be purchased at most twice, and can benefit from Feats the Eidolon learns. The advantages of integrated firearms are that: 1) the eidolon always has them and it cannot be disarmed (without severing its arm!) 2) it has an internal supply of bullets sufficient for ordinary use. An eidolon needs a free arm to clear its own misfired weapons. The firearm upgrades based on the eidolon’s HD.
- 1 HD: Early Pistol
- 3 HD: Dragoon or Paddlefoot Pistol
- 5 HD: Blunderbuss or Musket
- 7 HD: 5 shots of special ammo (excluding Adamantine) per day, +2 per additional HD.
- 9 HD + Large Size: Culverin
- 9 HD + Advanced Revolver
- 11 HD may substitute Adamantine bullets in place of special ammo
- 13 HD: Advanced Shotgun or Advanced Rifle
- 13 HD + Large: Double Hackbut

Grinding. Gains Grinding equal to ¼ of the eidolon’s base armor bonus plus natural armor bonus.

Combat Vehicle. Prerequisite: Mount and Level 10. Normally, an eidolon mount can carry 1 person of 1 size smaller than this (or double for each additional size category the riders are.) This evolution doubles the rider capacity. At level 15 this grants a Culverin that seated passengers may use. This evolution may be take twice.

Armor Plated Vehicles. Prerequisite: Combat Vehicle. The eidolon’s passengers gain partial cover and 20% concealment miss chances from attacks. The partial cover has hardness equal to the eidolon’s damage resistance+5, and hit points equal to ⅓ of the eidolons. The armor plating does not defend the eidolon from attacks, nor the occupants in any way beyond providing cover.
Improved Construct Defences. Become immune to critical hits, poison, and sneak attacks.

2 Evolution Points:
Bulletproof. The eidonlon’s natural armor provides full, unreduced defense vs. firearms.

Allowed Evolutions: Claws, Climb, Gills, Improved Damage, Improved Natural Armor, Mount, Pincers, Pull, Push, Reach, Resistance, Slam, Swim, Ability Increase, Energy Attacks, Grab, Immunity, Limbs, Rend, Trample, Tremorsense, Trip, Weapon Training, Blindsense, Burrow, Damage Reduction, Pounce, Breath Weapon, Fast Healing, Large.

Disallowed Evolutions: Basic Psychic Magic, Bite, Magic Attacks, Scent, Tail, Tail Slap, Tentacle, Tentacle Mass, Wing Buffet, Blood Frenzy, Constrict, Flight, Gore, Intermediate Psychic Magic, Poison, Eidolon Poison, Rake, Advanced Psychic Magic, Alien Consciousness, Frightful Presence, Swallow Whole, Web, Amorphous, Disease, Spell Resistance, Superior Psychic Magic.

[jr1v3]

I think I want a spot in this game and after reading a while about the investigator sleuth, I decided to get 4 level so I can get the expanded inpiration talent and some train in diplomacy too. Besides, the weapon profeciencies along studied combat could be pretty useful.

[CatCanCook]

Jr1v3 ---

Replying to the questions about the summoner + eidolon.

1. I guess I get a subdomain type, right?

I’m not sure what text you are reading. You get a subtype (not subdomain) for your eidolon. Choose a non-evil one.

See the available subtypes in eidolons unchained.

2. How it work the 2 claws attack of an eidolon? it says the damage is 1d4+str but that mean I have to do two attacks separated or one and do 2d4+strx2?

You get claws if you pick a base form with claws. (Serpentine forms don’t have them).

Each claw is a separate attack -- so 2 times at 1d4+str not combined as a single role.

3. It can get the form I desire? Like a humanoid wolfgirl, more like a girl with tail, wolf ears, with claw hand and fur in her hand and forehands, foot until her knees, chest and waist? (I was thinking in a agathion or kami subtype for that.)


Yes you could have that appearance with either of those subtypes

4. Can a eilodon use armor or items? Or even clothes?

“An eidolon cannot wear armor of any kind, as the armor interferes with the summoner’s connection to the eidolon.”

An eidolon can use any items that its body type can use.

This page has a table of what kinds of items can be used per body type:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/

If a magic item is in an eidolon’s item slot, it interferes and gets its magic cancelled if the summoner also has a magic item in that slot.

Mundane items in any slot do not cause problems.

Any item you give to the eidolon stays put here when it disappears; so it would have to re-equip special gear each time it arrives.

However, any mundane items (like clothing) that are nirmal and lack any special value it could have on its own plane to start with.

I think that it is fair to give items to an eidolon so that it keeps them and takes them to its home plane -- but:
It should be lightly encumbered (an eidolon is not a bag of holding)

It will always bring those items back, not keep a stash stored remotely.

An eidolon can also have the appearance of items that aren’t real separable items but just a part of its manifestation. Such apparent items have no effect beyond what the eidolon would generate without them-- the are just special effects or fluff to particular eidolon design..

5. What kind of recomendation you can give me to use the evo point? (I was thinking maybe improving her natural armor in case she can't use humanoid armor or improve her claws damage.)


Totally up to you. Anything blue or green on this list of 1-point evolutions is not a bad choice.
https://rpgbot.net/pathfinder/charac.../eidolons.html
(Do sanity check that the evolution is also on this list and that you meet prereqs
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/unc...lons-unchained

6. What kind of feat you woud reccomend for the summoner and eilodon?


Consider whether you’d like one of the Background Feats I posted at the beginning of the thread.

This gives solid advice on building powerful summoners:
https://rpgbot.net/pathfinder/charac.../eidolons.html

But Play-by-Post is more about roleplaying that crawling with hideous power and oozing unguessable might. IMHO -- a feat or ability that gives you a bunch of fun ways to interact with players, NPCs and the world around you can be worth more that another +1 on your attacks.

No matter how many +1s you give your PC, I as a DM can always give my monsters more +1s. But if you give your PC creativity and dynamic storytelling, additive in a way that surpasses game mechanics.

Can you give feedback about the background of a summoner of the magecorp should know and a llittle of the story of the world he could know as a magecorp member?

This last will take some time, and what I’ll post will be for the benefit of players in general not for one person.

P.D. can i go wild about the history behind the eilodon?

So, it's just a 1HD eidolon …. So be creative, inventive, etc. but stay level appropriate.

[CatCanCook]

Kshnik --

The two traits types (non magic/combat) means I get a third bonus trait?


Yes, that's also non magic/combat.

Taking a Drawback means a bonus trait and feat?


Yes. And since you already qualified for one bonus trait (above) your 4th could be combat/magic, i.e. unconstrained.

Hmm ... reading this the heal combo sure seems broken to me. http://taking10.blogspot.com/2019/06...-skill-in.html

I would say that, just as we treat x2 + x2 as x3, we should treat these separate things as additive and not multiplicative.

So-- do your signature skill daily heals for each person *once* per person per day as in the original rules as written, then when you apply the healing magics (magical) intervention it is a separate supernatural ability that the signature skill does not boost. In other words it is as if we are talking about two entirely different "treat critical wounds" actions that have the same name but are not actually the same action.

For the feat tax -- what is your question?

Anticipating it: you only get the extra feats if you *buy* the original underlying feat. Getting them temporarily through any means (i.e. brawler class) does not count.

A lot of the games on this site appear to use an even more generous (OP-ed?) version of the feat tax fix than I am suggesting. If it turns out to generate an OP character who dominates the game and drowns out the other players with sheer crushing competence, then I'd like to be able to someday suspend further use of that discount if it proves that I've goofed. Thoughts?

[CatCanCook]

jr1v3 -

Fair warning: I can't invest time coaching you on building a character if you flip flop on basic decisions like what class a bunch. :-)

[jr1v3]

Originally Posted by CatCanCook

jr1v3 -

Fair warning: I can't invest time coaching you on building a character if you flip flop on basic decisions like what class a bunch. :-)

Thanks for the coaching, I found way to get sense motive and diplomacy as class skill thanks to some traits so I think I wiill go pure summoner.

I will began to build my character right now, do you need the sheet along with the aplication or can I do it after?

As human I get ywo feat, right?

[jr1v3]

Originally Posted by CatCanCook

A lot of the games on this site appear to use an even more generous (OP-ed?) version of the feat tax fix than I am suggesting. If it turns out to generate an OP character who dominates the game and drowns out the other players with sheer crushing competence, then I'd like to be able to someday suspend further use of that discount if it proves that I've goofed. Thoughts?

Soinds fair to me, I preffer to have a balanced game where anyone could play than a game where only one plays.