[OOC] A Trip to Remember (OOC)

[secretID]

Originally Posted by secretID

MS, does the roof of the house provide cover against the crossbow adventurer while Geghard is standing in row U? He has a little movement left that I may use, since he couldn't go through the window.

I edited this in, so you may have missed it.

[Mindsiege]

Originally Posted by secretID

I edited this in, so you may have missed it.

Yep, I missed it.

To make it simple, yes there is a bit of cover that the roof creates, however the adventurer could easily avoid it by stepping right up to the edge and aiming down at a backwards angle. The more realistic outcome rather than him doing that though would be him deciding to shoot at somebody else.

[Corwin]

Such a wide variety of terrible options

[CoffeeRogue]

Originally Posted by Mindsiege

@CoffeeRogue:
Bad news. While the failed attempt to scale the roof would have properly landed Earlamar prone on the floor, he never makes it that far. As soon as he moves away from the noble he is struck down by a successful attack of opportunity that deals 7 dmg, putting him to 0 HP.
These were very unfortunate rolls!

@edit:
Just for reference, Almavalesh in form of Starlight is currently located somewhere around Q-16, hanging frozen still in mid-air.

Interesting. I was led to believe that the hostiles were fast approaching. Not that they were already there. I mean, disengage is a thing. I guess, I should've asked before assuming.

My apologies everyone, my inexperience got the best of me.

As for where he fell, I'd say we can add ine more option and roll a d4 to findout. In such situations, I like the dice to make the call.

[Mindsiege]

Originally Posted by CoffeeRogue

Interesting. I was led to believe that the hostiles were fast approaching. Not that they were already there. I mean, disengage is a thing. I guess, I should've asked before assuming.

My apologies everyone, my inexperience got the best of me.

As for where he fell, I'd say we can add ine more option and roll a d4 to findout. In such situations, I like the dice to make the call.

Underneath my GM post I've added an extensive battlemap with tokens and then I noted the position of every enemy in the initiative table. As the only character to hide inside the crowd of people, Earlamar was unfortunate in the sense that the noble was positioned among them. I didn't particularly point out the noble standing right next to Earlamar narratively, because Earlamar didn't perceive the threat himself and needed Derek to tell him. By preparing the map though, I assumed every player would be aware of what's going on.

I'm willing to make a one time deal to let you attack the noble if that's what Earlamar would have done instead, since Derek did notify him of the threat indirectly and Aurora very much attacked the guy right in front of his eyes. But next time, please look at the material I provide, because it helps me keep down the word count, even if it also takes time to put together. Similarly, we can roll if you want the dice to decide what route Earlamar would have taken to get next to Geghard, but the battlemap is also there for the players to decide pathing, in case there are traps they step into. Because in the open street there aren't any traps to be stepped into I didn't point out that I need you to be specific with noting down what path your character takes, but since this opened up uncertainty about where Earlamar would have gone down in this case, I meant to be generous and let you make a decision about how Earlarmar would have moved exactly. If you don't want to decide or don't know, we can roll of course, but we can also retcon it entirely this one time if the narrative of Earlamar abandoning the guy with the fake cane after Aurora failed to kill him doesn't make any sense to you.

To be more specific, I'll allow you to edit your post to provide the version of the narrative that you think should have happened. If Earlamar runs without disengaging, we will keep the rolls and he gets downed. Also, next time before I roll for any AoO that your characters should have seen coming I'll ask if the situation has been understood. Be mindful though that I do want to allow for player mistakes like forgetting to Disengage to happen, just how they would happen at a live table. You can decide for yourself what you think is both fair and the best way to tell this story, this turn we'll go with the version of what happened that you decide on.

@edit:
To reiterate what has happened from my perspective. The noble with his cane looked like he was on a stroll together with his female partner next to him and another friend that had been talking to him just before everything froze. The street isn't technically crowded enough to really hide well inside the crowd from someone that watches you move into it, but because that's the narration that you and BarrowB went with I didn't want to make BarrowB edit the posts where Aurora lost sight of Earlamar, I instead placed Earlamar around the only people he could have used as cover to step out of sight from Aurora. That they also included one of the guys to turn enemy was only causal to what I had in mind while envisioning the scene. The hiding in a crowd of citizen memories would have worked if it were real people that Earlamar tried to hide from. It's unfortunate that it backfired this way, but that's also why I'm giving you the choice to envision the scene as how you think it should have happened.

So after the crimson light pierced Earlamar, the noble and his company, Derek noticed that the noble was the only one of them armed and still active after everyone else froze. Then Earlamar would have seen Aurora simply going for the kill and slicing into the neck of the noble without him being fast enough to bring up his sword cane, but she wasn't able to behead him with this more hasty attack and he also would have started to "dust back together" before Earlamar's eyes after Aurora's attack. From watching that and after hearing Derek, Earlamar would have to decide what to do and if he perceived that noble as a threat. If he did perceive him as a threat, I'm fine if you end up saying that he would have attacked him together with Aurora. If not, Earlamar fell from the nobles strike after failing to grasp the severity of the situation. Either of those narratives makes sense to me.

@2nd edit:
To be clear, if the scuffel between Earlamar and Aurora had been a real battle, I would have had to rule that using the people as cover to hide from Aurora is impossible. But since that's not how I viewed the scene and I wanted to leave Aurora with the opportunity to end the conflict by losing sight of Earlamar as BarrowB envisioned, that's why I resolved everything how I did. Even without that though, hiding between memories that would become animated to attack you guys would have placed Earlamar into an isolated position anyways. Actually your group is lucky that not more of the armed memories were closer to your group at the start of Mayuri turning on you.

@3rd edit:
Usually, I only need the players to use dice when there is uncertainty about outcomes. In all other situations, I'm fine letting the players tell me what is happening as long as it's plausible. If a player wants to randomize a particular character choice, that's something I allow them to do of course, but I don't require it in situations like this.

@4th edit:
Finally, let me know how you want us to do this.

[CoffeeRogue]

Originally Posted by Mindsiege

Underneath my GM post I've added an extensive battlemap with tokens and then I noted the position of every enemy in the initiative table. As the only character to hide inside the crowd of people, Earlamar was unfortunate in the sense that the noble was positioned among them. I didn't particularly point out the noble standing right next to Earlamar narratively, because Earlamar didn't perceive the threat himself and needed Derek to tell him. By preparing the map though, I assumed every player would be aware of what's going on.

I'm willing to make a one time deal to let you attack the noble if that's what Earlamar would have done instead, since Derek did notify him of the threat indirectly and Aurora very much attacked the guy right in front of his eyes. But next time, please look at the material I provide, because it helps me keep down the word count, even if it also takes time to put together. Similarly, we can roll if you want the dice to decide what route Earlamar would have taken to get next to Geghard, but the battlemap is also there for the players to decide pathing, in case there are traps they step into. Because in the open street there aren't any traps to be stepped into I didn't point out that I need you to be specific with noting down what path your character takes, but since this opened up uncertainty about where Earlamar would have gone down in this case, I meant to be generous and let you make a decision about how Earlarmar would have moved exactly. If you don't want to decide or don't know, we can roll of course, but we can also retcon it entirely this one time if the narrative of Earlamar abandoning the guy with the fake cane after Aurora failed to kill him doesn't make any sense to you.

To be more specific, I'll allow you to edit your post to provide the version of the narrative that you think should have happened. If Earlamar runs without disengaging, we will keep the rolls and he gets downed. Also, next time before I roll for any AoO that your characters should have seen coming I'll ask if the situation has been understood. Be mindful though that I do want to allow for player mistakes like forgetting to Disengage to happen, just how they would happen at a live table. You can decide for yourself what you think is both fair and the best way to tell this story, this turn we'll go with the version of what happened that you decide on.

@edit:
To reiterate what has happened from my perspective. The noble with his cane looked like he was on a stroll together with his female partner next to him and another friend that had been talking to him just before everything froze. The street isn't technically crowded enough to really hide well inside the crowd from someone that watches you move into it, but because that's the narration that you and BarrowB went with I didn't want to make BarrowB edit the posts where Aurora lost sight of Earlamar, I instead placed Earlamar around the only people he could have used as cover to step out of sight from Aurora. That they also included one of the guys to turn enemy was only causal to what I had in mind while envisioning the scene. The hiding in a crowd of citizen memories would have worked if it were real people that Earlamar tried to hide from. It's unfortunate that it backfired this way, but that's also why I'm giving you the choice to envision the scene as how you think it should have happened.

So after the crimson light pierced Earlamar, the noble and his company, Derek noticed that the noble was the only one of them armed and still active after everyone else froze. Then Earlamar would have seen Aurora simply going for the kill and slicing into the neck of the noble without him being fast enough to bring up his sword cane, but she wasn't able to behead him with this more hasty attack and he also would have started to "dust back together" before Earlamar's eyes after Aurora's attack. From watching that and after hearing Derek, Earlamar would have to decide what to do and if he perceived that noble as a threat. If he did perceive him as a threat, I'm fine if you end up saying that he would have attacked him together with Aurora. If not, Earlamar fell from the nobles strike after failing to grasp the severity of the situation. Either of those narratives makes sense to me.

@2nd edit:
To be clear, if the scuffel between Earlamar and Aurora had been a real battle, I would have had to rule that using the people as cover to hide from Aurora is impossible. But since that's not how I viewed the scene and I wanted to leave Aurora with the opportunity to end the conflict by losing sight of Earlamar as BarrowB envisioned, that's why I resolved everything how I did. Even without that though, hiding between memories that would become animated to attack you guys would have placed Earlamar into an isolated position anyways. Actually your group is lucky that not more of the armed memories were closer to your group at the start of Mayuri turning on you.

@3rd edit:
Usually, I only need the players to use dice when there is uncertainty about outcomes. In all other situations, I'm fine letting the players tell me what is happening as long as it's plausible. If a player wants to randomize a particular character choice, that's something I allow them to do of course, but I don't require it in situations like this.

@4th edit:
Finally, let me know how you want us to do this.

First off, I just want to say thank you for all the hardwork you're doing, the detailed explanation you've provided, and the willingness to work with us. I really appreciate it.

I did use the materials provided and assumed that this was the crowd Earlamar used to hide therein assuming that it wasn't hostile.

What I want to do is retcon nothing and keep the situation the same. That's because it resulted from my lack of understanding and assumption. I could've asked and didn't so it shouldn't be changed. Narratively we can blame the adrenaline, his low intellect, and his inexperience.

Depending on how the noble had seung at him, I'd say it would make sense for Earlamar to end up at Q-9 because he's small, so he's probably flung a bit by a one hit knock out.

Again, thank you for being so cooperative Mindsiege, you're awesome.

[Mindsiege]

Originally Posted by CoffeeRogue

Depending on how the noble had seung at him, I'd say it would make sense for Earlamar to end up at Q-9 because he's small, so he's probably flung a bit by a one hit knock out.

Again, thank you for being so cooperative Mindsiege, you're awesome.

Sounds good to me.
Thanks for the kind words.

[secretID]

Hi, all. We're using the 48-hour rule and I know MS wants this combat to run smoothly, so I'll probably post for those who haven't in 4-5 hours.

[secretID]

MS, I mostly posted for Baka, Rolen, and Oguun. Oguun killed the noble, and Rolen killed the adventurer if we're lucky. Rolls.

I need to edit to do movement for them.

I noticed something: the noble had not yet drawn his sword when Earlamar left his reach, no? - so no OA?

Edit: Done, including Geghard's remaining movement (unused).

[Mindsiege]

Originally Posted by secretID

MS, I mostly posted for Baka, Rolen, and Oguun. Oguun killed the noble, and Rolen killed the adventurer if we're lucky. Rolls.

I need to edit to do movement for them.

I noticed something: the noble had not yet drawn his sword when Earlamar left his reach, no? - so no OA?

Edit: Done, including Geghard's remaining movement (unused).

The noble had his weapon, the cane, in his hand and was able to attack. I could have had him use it like a mace, however since the sword cane is intentionally a trick weapon and Earlamar has no resistances to either blunt or slashing, I'll narrate it as a quick draw followed by being cut down. Mechanically it's all the same.

Actually, if all of this checks out for everybody I'll make my GM post today. Because the rest of the week before the weekend I won't have the time to post.

[Corwin]

Thanks, secretID. Had a minor medical emergency in the family today, haven't had a chance to really get in front of the computer.

[Mindsiege]

@team:
The guy on the roof is still up.

[Togot]

well crap i tried

[BarrowB]

@CoffeeRogue

Earlamar is alive again, with 5 HP, or 6 if Derek's familiar did it's task.

[Mindsiege]

@BarrowB:
Same with your guy, they are both still over 1 HP, WIS saves didn't apply yet.

Also Nephala is able to do her task.